The Orville - Season Two -- SPOILERS

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Re: The Orville - Season Two -- SPOILERS

Post by scottydog » Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:53 pm

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They need to be convinced that their programming is defective. Kirk was good at that sort of thing.
I wonder if Isaac is the person who can convince them of that. He's actually becoming like the character of Odo in DS9 -- a member of the enemy alien race who can never seem to go home.
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Makes me wonder if there will be a Kaylon rebellion.
Could Isaac lead such a rebellion from afar?

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Re: The Orville - Season Two -- SPOILERS

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I wonder if Isaac is the person who can convince them of that. He's actually becoming like the character of Odo in DS9 -- a member of the enemy alien race who can never seem to go home.
That would be great if he could become the Odo-- or Daneel Olivaw-- of the Kaylons. I hope Orville sticks around long enough to give us such long-term developments.
Could Isaac lead such a rebellion from afar?
It's very odd. The Kaylons were able to turn off Isaac from light years away, but they didn't seem to be in touch with each other at all while on Orville.
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Re: The Orville - Season Two -- SPOILERS

Post by RJDiogenes » Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:56 pm

New episode tonight! :bounce:

I suppose scotty will miss the next couple of these, too.
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Re: The Orville - Season Two -- SPOILERS

Post by Lupine » Fri Mar 08, 2019 3:55 pm

Good if a little predicable. I figured there was something up with the daughter early on but wasn't expecting what they went with.

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Re: The Orville - Season Two -- SPOILERS

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I was able to watch part of it, but I've still got a bit to go....
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Re: The Orville - Season Two -- SPOILERS

Post by scottydog » Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:47 am

I'll have a lot of catching up to do when I return home on the 17th.

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Re: The Orville - Season Two -- SPOILERS

Post by RJDiogenes » Sat Mar 09, 2019 7:45 pm

Well, this was another very good episode, and Gordon got his moment in the sun for some serious drama. I suspect that this is another step in the long-term character arc that started with his odd admission of low self-esteem at Alara's homeworld and continued with his request to take the command test.

The story was somewhat reminiscent of the TNG episode that introduced the Cardassians in that the enemy aliens seemed to be falsely accusing one of our people of crimes, but are proven to be correct-- however there are a few substantial differences and twists. Most notably, the officer in Orville was not on active duty, but in fact had been a Krill PO(undeclared)W for twenty years; and the Krill, unlike the Cardassians, seemed to be making sincere overtures for peace. This led to a whole spectrum of moral quandaries, both on the personal and larger scales, that had no easy answers or satisfactory solutions. But while the presentation of the moral ambiguity of peaceful coexistence between conflicting ideologies was realistically disturbing, there was nothing ambiguous about Gordon's characterization-- his moral character, both in terms of personal relationships and patriotism, were shown to be solidly grounded, which was really nice.

The episode was essentially about Gordon being tortured, from the moment he found out his old friend had been in a prison camp all those years to the moment he had to let him die in the shuttle. It was painful to watch their quiet catch-up conversation slowly become Gordon's bitter realization of how deeply his pal was damaged, and to see him bewildered and conflicted over the guy's attempt to enlist him in a treasonous terrorist attack, to watch his face as the others on the bridge discussed his theft of the tube, to see him report their conversation to Talla, and to see him have to fight the guy who saved his life-- essentially a fight to the death. And that was one brutal TOS-style fight. Gordon is no longer the class clown.

They did fool me a bit when Gordon went to the guy's cabin, seemingly straight from his meeting with Talla, and agreed to help him. I knew that Gordon was setting him up, but I thought he was going to unilaterally try to keep him out of trouble, only to be implicated as an accomplice, so I was pleased to see that he had done the smart and mature thing for a change.

There were a lot of other great moments in this episode as well: Yaphit got a well-deserved medal, Talla got to be Supergirl twice, Claire got to save the day with a bit of arcane space knowledge, Ed got to broker a peace treaty, and Ed and Gordon got to reaffirm their friendship. And Gordon getting flung through space in his spacesuit was pretty harrowing. And the Sci-Fi gimmick of the girl with the explosive blood from "a distant part of space" was pretty cool. And just so we don't forget it's The Orville, we got urine tests and rubber gloves. :lol:

There were a couple of plot holes, like some fudging around the sensor scans and medical exams, and Gordon failing to just stun the guy in the shuttle, but overall this was another strong episode.
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Re: The Orville - Season Two -- SPOILERS

Post by Lupine » Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:14 pm

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And just so we don't forget it's The Orville, we got urine tests and rubber gloves. :lol:
That scene cracked me up. :lol:

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Re: The Orville - Season Two -- SPOILERS

Post by RJDiogenes » Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:17 pm

Yeah, that was a classic. Talla is fully a member of the crew now. :lol:
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Re: The Orville - Season Two -- SPOILERS

Post by Jim Gamma » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:26 am

We get ep 10 this week, looks like we caught up as you don't have anything new until next week. Will watch later. :)

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Re: The Orville - Season Two -- SPOILERS

Post by RJDiogenes » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:24 pm

Yeah, there's some kind of music award show on tonight, so we'll probably be synced up for the last four episodes or so.
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Re: The Orville - Season Two -- SPOILERS

Post by scottydog » Sun Mar 17, 2019 4:36 pm

Finally got to watch this episode. I suspected the girl was the key to unraveling the mystery, but I never guessed the weapon of mass destruction was her blood.

Overall, a very enjoyable episode. I don't mind Gordon having serious scenes, but he does need to be the class clown. He's a comedic genius.
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There were a couple of plot holes, like some fudging around the sensor scans and medical exams, and Gordon failing to just stun the guy in the shuttle, but overall this was another strong episode.
Yes, there are plot holes, but I don't think there are any more in The Orville than in any Star Trek episode.

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Re: The Orville - Season Two -- SPOILERS

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Finally got to watch this episode. I suspected the girl was the key to unraveling the mystery, but I never guessed the weapon of mass destruction was her blood.
Yeah, the explosive blood was a good idea-- very Sci Fi. And it was quite a shock when she went from traumatized and mute to holding a knife to Talla's throat.
Yes, there are plot holes, but I don't think there are any more in The Orville than in any Star Trek episode.
Yeah, there's always going to be some plot holes. Most of them are no big deal.
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Re: The Orville - Season Two -- SPOILERS

Post by RJDiogenes » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:41 pm

The Orville returns tonight! :saucer:
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Re: The Orville - Season Two -- SPOILERS

Post by scottydog » Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:55 pm

Will a red-shirt die tonight? :rip:

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