The Orville - Season Two -- SPOILERS

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The Orville - Season Two -- SPOILERS

Post by scottydog » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:58 pm

New episode coming up. Season 1 was very good I thought. I'm curious how they'll try to replicate and extend this success.

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Post by Lupine » Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:31 pm

And I think tonight is the night.

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Post by RJDiogenes » Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:25 pm

Indeed it is. It's been almost thirteen months, but Orville is back! I wish I had had time to watch a couple of my DVDs to bring myself up to speed.
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Re: The Orville - Season Two -- SPOILERS

Post by Jim Gamma » Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:37 pm

Drops here on 10 January. Hopefully I'll see it on NowTV like last year.

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Post by scottydog » Mon Dec 31, 2018 12:34 am

Jim Gamma wrote:
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Drops here on 10 January. Hopefully I'll see it on NowTV like last year.
Don't forget the spoiler alert, Jim.

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Post by scottydog » Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:38 am

That was an "okay" first episode. There were a bunch of plotlines going on at once, some better than others.

First, the 'A' plotline involved Bortus's annual urination ceremony. This is a hilarious idea but the actual urination was very anti-climactic. I was hoping for more. But the impending ceremony did drive all the other subplots in the episode.

The main subplot involved Ed and Kelly's "relationship", which sensibly is put on hold while she dates Cassius. I loved Ed's creepy "drive by".

Alara's dating woes continue. She's a great character but her subplot in this episode was not terribly interesting.

Malloy's crush on the newcomer and his anxiety around her were mildly amusing.

Claire's struggle to deal with Marcus was interesting. Could she possibly have a romance with Isaac?

So overall, just a so-so start to the season. Still, it was great seeing all the characters again. And it looks like they upped the budget with those crazy-amazing production value shots of the ship's exterior.

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Post by Lupine » Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:57 pm

Yeah, this one was a bit more sit-comish than previous outings. I do think this was the episode that was held over from last season and I can see why now as it would have been a rather lethargic way to end a good season. There were good moments and a few funny ones but the assessment of "OK" is accurate.

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Post by scottydog » Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:29 pm

I didn't realize this episode had been held over from last season. Does that mean they taped it last season and it sat on the shelf for a year? :eek:

By the way, after drinking a lot of diet coke and then champagne last night, I had my own "Great Release". :mellow:

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Post by RJDiogenes » Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:45 pm

Yeah, that was definitely a low-key season premiere. No invasions, supernovae, space battles, ray gun blasts, or space fu fights. I loved it, but I hope it doesn't hurt the ratings.

The main plot of Bortus needing to return to his home planet to urinate (talk about a shy bladder) was obviously an homage to Spock's mating impulse. Sort of a mock time. But there were no complications and Bortus was apparently able to relieve himself without incident. Of course, it's hard to imagine how ritual urination could lead to Bortus and Mercer getting into a fight to the death over a woman, but it sort of emphasizes how this was sort of a week-in-the-life episode for the crew, with no overall conflict or antagonist.

Secondary to that plot was the ongoing saga of Mercer and Grayson's relationship status. Mercer is now openly gung ho about getting back together, while Grayson appears to be moving on. Mercer does the lonely ex drive-by thing-- in spaaaace-- and gets caught. I'm sure this will trigger the same conservative backlash that the Rob Lowe episode did last season, which should be fun to watch. But Grayson's too-good-to-be-true boyfriend is very understanding, which makes me think he is indeed too good to be true. And therefore doomed.

Alara, meanwhile, is still having guy problems, which is probably the most far-fetched plot device on this over-the-top sci-fi show. But in a hilarious interaction with Bortus, she allows herself to be set up on a blind date with a guy-- who turns out to be Dan. :lol: Who almost immediately bonds with her, and starts writing poetry and text nagging her. No wonder she's going to leave the show.

Dr. Finn's plot involves her boring kids again, but the interesting part was her developing relationship with Isaac. I wonder if there is an inter-species romance in the making here. Last year, Finn got it on with an alien made of jelly and this year she's hanging out with a robot-- she seems to have exotic tastes. :lol:

Lamarr doesn't have much to do in this episode except help Gordon try to make time with the new female crewmember, which doesn't work out too well ("Can't do it-- thanks for the help."). But the interesting thing here was that this actress is the same one who played the Krill who vowed vengeance on Mercer last season. I've seen speculation that this is a counter infiltration, which is definitely possible, especially given how the new character sought out Mercer at the bar.

All in all, it was a nice reintroduction to the ship and the crew, highlighting their unique personalities and lifestyles. I just hope that the lack of explosions doesn't turn off an audience that suffers from a negative attention span.
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Re: The Orville - Season Two -- SPOILERS

Post by RJDiogenes » Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:50 pm

Lupine wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:57 pm
I do think this was the episode that was held over from last season and I can see why now as it would have been a rather lethargic way to end a good season.
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I didn't realize this episode had been held over from last season. Does that mean they taped it last season and it sat on the shelf for a year? :eek:
Yeah, there is an episode that's been sitting around for a year, but it's unclear which episode it actually is. I don't think it's this one because it introduces the new character, who will be around for a little while. Some sources say that the old episode has been highly modified with new footage, though, or that it has been split up and spread around to several new episodes. Supposedly you can tell the origin of the footage by the type of insignia they wear, but I haven't noticed.
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Post by Lupine » Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:04 pm

^I was thinking it was this episode due to some of the FX shots. I could be wrong.
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Sort of a mock time.
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But the interesting thing here was that this actress is the same one who played the Krill who vowed vengeance on Mercer last season. I've seen speculation that this is a counter infiltration, which is definitely possible, especially given how the new character sought out Mercer at the bar.
I hadn't noticed that. :eek: It does make you wonder. :unsure:

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Post by Lupine » Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:09 pm

I just looked it up. Turns out this episode had a production code of 2LAB01, while next weeks has 1LAB12.

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Post by RJDiogenes » Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:13 pm

So the next one is the holdover. And the next one is actually tomorrow. No, the day after tomorrow. Whenever Thursday falls this week.
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Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:45 pm
But the interesting thing here was that this actress is the same one who played the Krill who vowed vengeance on Mercer last season. I've seen speculation that this is a counter infiltration, which is definitely possible, especially given how the new character sought out Mercer at the bar.
A fascinating possibility. You'd think they'd recognize her, though, right?
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Sort of a mock time.
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Post by scottydog » Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:11 pm

New episode tonight.... :dance:

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Post by Orpheus » Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:05 am

It's highly metaphysical, like the Catholic's transubstantiation: before the Great Release, Moclan, but during the Great Release, European.

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I don't think I want to know if the Moclans have a version of Noah.
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Post by scottydog » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:12 am

^^ :lol:

Okay, now that was an unusual episode! Moclans are certainly an interesting species. Divorce is a death sentence for the partner who doesn't initiate the divorce process. Not sure how Bortus could underestimate Klyden's unhappiness.

How many other Moclan secrets have yet to be unearthed?

And speaking of unearthed, the destruction of that planet was depicted beautifully. I just love this season's ramped up CGI effects.

It sure looked like that shuttle could have accommodated twice as many of those evacuees. Maybe they just didn't have the power; they certainly had the space.

Now excuse me while I try to brain-erase that image of the Moclan porn star licking Isaac's ear and slapping LaMarr's ass. :lol:

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Post by Lupine » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:02 pm

DirecTV is having website issues so I'll have to catch it later.

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I saw the beginning, but I'll watch the rest tonight or tomorrow.
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Post by Lupine » Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:57 pm

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I just love this season's ramped up CGI effects.
Actually it was this episode that was the holdover from last season. Still not sure why though unless the overly sexual nature of the plot sent Fox into a mini-panic.
Still it was a rather nice follow-up to "About A Girl", though I do think Bortus got off a little too easy considering the mess he got everyone into. I would have suspended simulator privileges at the very least.

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Post by RJDiogenes » Sat Jan 05, 2019 8:03 pm

Bloody Hell, this is why I love Orville. :lol: Bortus has quite a range of sex fantasies going on there, from his submissive dungeon scenario to the hedonistic oasis orgy. But as hilarious, and oddly touching, as all that was, the scenes of John, Dan, and Isaac desperately trying to save the ship while being stroked and nuzzled by horny Moclan porn holograms was the highlight of my week. I wonder what percentage of the simulator database is dedicated to erotica. I'm sure most of the crew have something funky going on in there. I know I would. Not with Moclans, of course. I'd be more likely to-- but I digress.

On the flip side of that, in true Orville fashion, we have the heartbreaking reasons for Bortus's career-endangering and life-threatening porn addiction. He still hasn't come to terms with his baby's sex change or Klyden's part in it. The scene with Dr Finn acting as counselor, bringing it all out in the open, was great. Especially the dramatic shift of Klyden coming in as the injured party and suddenly realizing what his part really was in Bortus's breakdown. Watching the Moclans act out what is essentially a very common and universal relationship crisis in their characteristically blunt and prosaic manner was both hilarious and poignant.

The B-plot involving the rescue of the planet's last survivors was not well developed and should have been given its own episode, if it needed to be done at all. Given the weight and excitement previewed for the upcoming first contact episode, it was dramatically unproductive to throw an inconceivably tragic first contact situation like this in ahead of it. There were plot holes aplenty, and very little attention was given to the horrific dilemma of leaving behind more than half of a civilization's remaining population, even while rescuing a handful of people with no more than the clothes on their backs, who have nothing left of their lives or world or culture, and who do not even represent a viable breeding population. What will become of them?

Also, on the subject of plot holes, the computer virus was not really necessary to the overall plot, providing only a little exaggerated drama at the end. What was so special about the Moclan Oasis Orgy program that Bortus needed to go to a shady Tardigrade for it? "Computer, give me an idyllic pond and a half dozen horny hunks." Easy peasy.

But, structural quibbles aside, it was still a very enjoyable episode (and another reminder of how easy it would be for CBS to do real Star Trek). Gordon, Alara, and Grayson didn't have a lot to do-- and Grayson was acting like kind of a jerk for no apparent reason-- but the season is young.
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Post by scottydog » Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:14 pm

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The scene with Dr Finn acting as counselor, bringing it all out in the open, was great. Especially the dramatic shift of Klyden coming in as the injured party and suddenly realizing what his part really was in Bortus's breakdown.
It was a very realistic reason for the couple to have serious unresolved issues. Kind of hilarious seeing months of therapy condensed into 2 minutes :lol:
... very little attention was given to the horrific dilemma of leaving behind more than half of a civilization's remaining population,
Yes, yes, yes. That would have been an incredibly juicy group discussion to evesdrop on -- how do you decide which 30 get saved? Do you prioritize saving the children and/or young, fertile women and/or young couples? We definitely were denied a fascinating fully developed subplot here.
What was so special about the Moclan Oasis Orgy program that Bortus needed to go to a shady Tardigrade for it? "Computer, give me an idyllic pond and a half dozen horny hunks." Easy peasy.
Excellent point. It would have made more sense for the program to involve some kind of kinky, semi-violent BDSM. In that way, you'd seen the horny Moclans whipping & chaining Dan, LaMarr, and Isaac as they attempted to eradicate the virus. :lol:
...another reminder of how easy it would be for CBS to do real Star Trek).
Exactly. You have to hand it to Seth McFarlane. More than anyone since Gene Roddenberry, he's able to capture the spirit of Star Trek.
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Actually it was this episode that was the holdover from last season. Still not sure why though unless the overly sexual nature of the plot sent Fox into a mini-panic.
So were the CGI effects this good last season? I watched on my laptop last year, whereas this year I'm watching on my HD TV, which may be enhancing the effects.

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