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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by Lupine » Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:54 pm

^It seems a good issue to run with since Trump/GOP still seem rather obsessed with the ACA.

And trying to de-fund the Special Olympics isn't a great idea either.

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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by RJDiogenes » Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:34 pm

Healthcare should work well for the Democrats. The Right-Wing base wants to repeal "Obamacare" because it has the name "Obama" in it. They don't actually want to repeal any of the provisions of Obamacare. :lol:
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Post by Lupine » Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:08 pm

Looks like they backpedaled on de-funding the Special Olympics. :myowngrave:

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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by Gary » Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:42 pm

I find it humorous and maddening that Trump's supporters are all hollering that the Mueller investigation yielded bupkis, save for all of the people who ended up in jail or are awaiting trial. Barr is a hack, because there is no way a 300-page report can be summarized in four pages. If the Mueller report vindicated Trump as much as he proclaims, then Trump would be actively pushing for it to be released. Meanwhile, the authorities in New York are digging into the Trump organization, which means he could very well be facing indictments the moment he successor recites the Oath of Office.
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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by Lupine » Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:56 pm

It would have helped if Mueller would simply have come out and said "yea" or "nay" on Barr's interpretation of the report.

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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by RJDiogenes » Sat Mar 30, 2019 7:00 pm

I can't wait to see how much of the report we'll actually get to look at.

In other news, Joe Biden's chances of becoming president have just dropped to zero. He may have kissed somebody on the back of the head one time. :no: :lol:
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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by Lupine » Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:04 pm

^Well the media has been signally for a while that they were going to be giving him a rough ride, with that his support for the 90s Crime Bill, and Anita Hill.

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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by RJDiogenes » Sat Mar 30, 2019 11:37 pm

Probably, but he's still far and away the favorite according to the polls-- I think he's got it if he throws his hat in.
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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

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Probably, but he's still far and away the favorite according to the polls-- I think he's got it if he throws his hat in.
I've expressed this before, but I'll say it anyway -- Joe needs to step aside and help the next generation. I know he doesn't say it, but outwardly he (and his supporters) playing the Bob Dole "It's *my* turn" angle. We don't need two old farts slugging it out next year on the campaign trail. Joe Biden's 'creepy guy' factor is finally catching up with him, and the SJWs along with Independents will not turn a blind eye no matter what his rabid fan base wants.

I've seen comments where people say Joe should pick up someone like Harris to be his running mate. Gee, nothing like the old, white guard picking a minority female as a blatant token. I hope Hillary Clinton doesn't refer to the William Jennings Bryant playbook and opt for another run. No matter what her supporters want to believe, she is NOT electable.
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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

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I've expressed this before, but I'll say it anyway -- Joe needs to step aside and help the next generation. I know he doesn't say it, but outwardly he (and his supporters) playing the Bob Dole "It's *my* turn" angle.
On the contrary, I don't think he wants it at all, which is why it's taking him so long to make up his mind-- if he does run, it's because he's decided that he's the best hope of ousting the Donald.
We don't need two old farts slugging it out next year on the campaign trail. Joe Biden's 'creepy guy' factor is finally catching up with him, and the SJWs along with Independents will not turn a blind eye no matter what his rabid fan base wants.
I couldn't care less how old anyone is. This is the 21st century and even thousands of years ago there were leaders older than him. And if the SJWs start whining about him being White or kissing someone on the back of the head or tokenism, that's exactly the sort of thing that drives Right-Wing recruitment and we've got season two of Donnie-Baby.
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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by Lupine » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:43 pm

Another warning about Trump's mental state.
Granted people have been sounding this alarm for some time, but after the "oranges" incident and the "windmills are causing cancer" line it is something that needs to be looked at.

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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by RJDiogenes » Thu Apr 04, 2019 10:37 pm

The noise from windmills causes cancer. That explains the high cancer rates in Holland.

How can you tell if somebody has dementia when they've been totally bugnuts their entire life? :lol:
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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by Gary » Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:45 pm

The current news cycle has been covering how President Trump has been circumventing Senatorial oversight by placing people as Acting Secretaries because, as he states (paraphrased), "I can move people around and be more flexible". Some in the Senate are becoming irked that he is not following the Constitution, so we're witnessing a period in history where a President has been usurping power. After his Presidency ends, I can almost count on either the law changing when it comes to these positions stating no one can serve in an acting capacity for x-number of weeks or months -- OR -- the Constitution is amended to reflect a specific time table for appointments.
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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by Lupine » Sat Apr 13, 2019 3:03 pm

^If we somehow get through this without governmental collapse, economic collapse, nuclear war, or an out'n out coup there are a lot of laws that will probably be passed. A lot of "traditions" will have to be codified into law.

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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by RJDiogenes » Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:19 am

We'll definitely need some more balance-of-power traditions and checks and balances codified into law. Washington's precedent of a two-term limit for presidents lasted 150 years before someone broke it, and it had to be established with an amendment. The same thing has to happen now, if the spineless Congress critters can be made to do it.
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Post by Lupine » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:00 pm

^And that's a big if since mb all rights Mnuchin should be in jail right now for not honoring Congress's request for Trump's taxes.

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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by Lupine » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:27 pm

And the Mueller report is expected to be released on Thursday, but probably redacted to within an inch of its life.

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Post by RJDiogenes » Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:31 pm

One can only hope that people will finally get sick enough of them to vote them all out.
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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by Lupine » Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:53 pm

^I kind of wish a bit more than that though. I'd like to see Trump completely discredited like Nixon. I'd rather not see him merely leave then be slowly rehabilitated in the public eye like Reagan- who's now a virtual god despite the dodgy aspects of his presidency. The media's even starting to look on George W. kindly. :no:

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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by RJDiogenes » Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:34 pm

Everybody looks better in retrospect compared to The Donald. :lol:

The best outcome would be if the Republicans nominate a different candidate in the primaries, but that's exceedingly unlikely. The second best outcome would be for him to soundly lose the general election. The least favorable outcome would be impeachment and removal from office, which is more likely that the first option and less likely than the second.
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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by Gary » Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:52 pm

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We'll definitely need some more balance-of-power traditions and checks and balances codified into law. Washington's precedent of a two-term limit for presidents lasted 150 years before someone broke it, and it had to be established with an amendment. The same thing has to happen now, if the spineless Congress critters can be made to do it.
I always find the George Washington precedent and people's arguments for it to be ridiculous. Teddy Roosevelt made the then-bold move of running for a third term well before Roosevelt had been President. Keep in mind that Roosevelt handily defeated his opponents in every election. To me, that flies in the face of the arguments which call for the abolition of the Electoral College in favor of electing the President by popular vote. I'll still argue the 17th Amendment was a big mistake whereupon the Populists lead the sheep to the slaughter for big businesses to put all of Congress in their back pockets.

Sometime, "norms" and traditions have to go by the wayside, because people are too focused on preserving them for ludicrous reasons when they might not serve a good. That's probably one of the reasons the Founders opted to throw into the Constitution that each House can set its own rules for how to operate for the legislative session; otherwise, we'd be mired in traditions and never get anything accomplished.

Anyway, we're at a point in history where the Congress has ceded too much power to the Executive Branch, and it's up to the voters to put people in power who will correct the error. I am also getting to the point where I wish a Third Constitutional Convention could be held where a new Constitution could be adopted; however, I think that would require the United States to split, because the differing factions within the existing political framework would not get much accomplished or find much common ground.
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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by RJDiogenes » Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:30 pm

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I always find the George Washington precedent and people's arguments for it to be ridiculous.
The alternative is the possibility of a King-For-Life, which is not exactly what America needs. The Donald has brought us close enough to being a third-world country.
To me, that flies in the face of the arguments which call for the abolition of the Electoral College in favor of electing the President by popular vote.
How so?
I'll still argue the 17th Amendment was a big mistake whereupon the Populists lead the sheep to the slaughter for big businesses to put all of Congress in their back pockets.
The alternative here is national politicians elected by local politicians. No, thanks. :lol:
Anyway, we're at a point in history where the Congress has ceded too much power to the Executive Branch, and it's up to the voters to put people in power who will correct the error.
Except the people are hypnotized by the two dominant anti-American ideologies. That's why we need that election reform.
I am also getting to the point where I wish a Third Constitutional Convention could be held where a new Constitution could be adopted;
An entirely new Constitution. What form do you think it should take?
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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by Gary » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:34 pm

I read recently (wish I could remember the source) that the US has more or less devolved to emerging nation status. It is no longer a leader or leading country in terms of living conditions, quality of life, educations, etc. I think the decline started with the Reagan years.
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I always find the George Washington precedent and people's arguments for it to be ridiculous.
The alternative is the possibility of a King-For-Life, which is not exactly what America needs. The Donald has brought us close enough to being a third-world country.
I'm not arguing for a king. I think the term limits for the Executive Branch was a knee-jerk reaction because the GOP could never get anyone to beat FDR.
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To me, that flies in the face of the arguments which call for the abolition of the Electoral College in favor of electing the President by popular vote.
How so?
I've said it many times -- the popular vote is mob rule, which means the east and west coasts will virtually decide the elections barring any major population shifts. The original "rules" called for Electoral votes to be apportioned based on the percentage of who won in a particular state. Remember, there are actually 50 Presidential elections which take place every four years, not one. If anything, there should be a stacked ranking system or some other means of properly apportioning votes.
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I'll still argue the 17th Amendment was a big mistake whereupon the Populists lead the sheep to the slaughter for big businesses to put all of Congress in their back pockets.
The alternative here is national politicians elected by local politicians. No, thanks. :lol:
No. The alternative is what originally worked wherein the state legislatures appointed Senators, and a Senator who was not properly performing his duties could be removed. It would also more accurately reflect the electorate if a legislature is more Democrats or Republicans (or even other flavors) rather than the stark contrasts which occur because a Senator has plenty of backing of big money.
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Anyway, we're at a point in history where the Congress has ceded too much power to the Executive Branch, and it's up to the voters to put people in power who will correct the error.
Except the people are hypnotized by the two dominant anti-American ideologies. That's why we need that election reform.
We need a lot of adjustments.
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I am also getting to the point where I wish a Third Constitutional Convention could be held where a new Constitution could be adopted;
An entirely new Constitution. What form do you think it should take?
That's a great question. I think the EU Constitution would be a great example to use since there are a lot of rights and protections guaranteed for The People enshrined in the document. Right wingers and the religious right would absolutely hate it since any form of discrimination is not tolerated.
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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by Lupine » Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:16 pm

A redacted version of the Mueller Report is out finally. I've perused the first few pages but so far haven't found anything that hasn't been public knowledge for some time. It looks like Mueller could have not bothered with an investigation and just written the report on what he'd seen on the news.

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