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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by Lupine » Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:21 pm

Then again on page 290 there's this little gem (the highlighted text).

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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

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A redacted version of the Mueller Report is out finally. I've perused the first few pages but so far haven't found anything that hasn't been public knowledge for some time. It looks like Mueller could have not bothered with an investigation and just written the report on what he'd seen on the news.
My favorite thing so far is that The Donald tried umpteen times to obstruct justice but nobody would obey him. :lol:

That's amusing because The Donald is a loser who's failed at everything he's ever done, but it's also encouraging. Some people worry about him not surrendering office if he loses the next election-- but so what? The Secret Service will just take his ID and escort him to the parking lot. Nobody would go along with anything like that.
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I read recently (wish I could remember the source) that the US has more or less devolved to emerging nation status. It is no longer a leader or leading country in terms of living conditions, quality of life, educations, etc. I think the decline started with the Reagan years.
I am dubious about things like that. I would investigate the political inclinations of people who say that.
I'm not arguing for a king. I think the term limits for the Executive Branch was a knee-jerk reaction because the GOP could never get anyone to beat FDR.
I favor a term limit for the president. The only change I might be amenable to there is a limit of one longer term.
I've said it many times -- the popular vote is mob rule, which means the east and west coasts will virtually decide the elections barring any major population shifts. The original "rules" called for Electoral votes to be apportioned based on the percentage of who won in a particular state. Remember, there are actually 50 Presidential elections which take place every four years, not one. If anything, there should be a stacked ranking system or some other means of properly apportioning votes.
Well, anything that doesn't allow the loser to become president would be an improvement, as would anything that doesn't discourage voting-- but democracy is basically mob rule.
No. The alternative is what originally worked wherein the state legislatures appointed Senators, and a Senator who was not properly performing his duties could be removed. It would also more accurately reflect the electorate if a legislature is more Democrats or Republicans (or even other flavors) rather than the stark contrasts which occur because a Senator has plenty of backing of big money.
Campaign financing is definitely an issue. But I don't like the idea of the vast majority of the Federal government being appointed by local politicians-- that just increases the corruption by an order of magnitude.
We need a lot of adjustments.
A few, but I think election reform would have far-reaching implications and solve a lot of issues.
That's a great question. I think the EU Constitution would be a great example to use since there are a lot of rights and protections guaranteed for The People enshrined in the document. Right wingers and the religious right would absolutely hate it since any form of discrimination is not tolerated.
I'd rather work with the amendment process that the Founding Fathers gave us. I'd love to see somebody come up with an Equal Rights Amendment so worded that there could never be any discrimination against any subset of humanity that exists now or that people might come up with in the future-- but neither the Right nor the Left would go for that.
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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by Gary » Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:49 am

Sarah Sanders has been outed as a liar. Every member of the media needs to bring that up in every press conference until the White House ceases press briefings or she leaves. Meanwhile, there is still a lot in the Mueller report that is damaging to the Administration. The Senate Republicans don't have the fortitude to convict post-impeachment; however, the Dems need to play on all of this through the election.
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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

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Sarah Sanders has been outed as a liar.
Yeah, I was so shocked by that. :lol:

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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by RJDiogenes » Sat Apr 20, 2019 7:31 pm

Right, like we didn't know that they're all pathological. :lol:

Warren has made the mistake of calling for impeachment. There's no way he'd be removed from office at this point and that will only work against them in the election, just like the Clinton impeachment worked against the Republicans. They'd be much wiser to use all of the damaging findings in their campaign. But this election, like the last one, is the Democrats' to lose, and I have no doubt that they will find a way to do so.
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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by Lupine » Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:07 pm

Democrats are in a bit of a catch-22 with this though. Summarily taking impeachment off the table will anger their base as it did when Pelosi dismissed the idea during George W's. reign. But in Warren's case it looks purely political. They almost can't win.

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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by RJDiogenes » Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:10 pm

"Oh, my god. This is terrible. This is the end of my presidency. I'm fucked."

Why couldn't he have been right, just for once in his life? :lol:

It's really mind boggling how stupid and corrupt these people are. And yet they are occupying the White House. And people are making excuses for them and protecting them.
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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by Lupine » Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:13 pm

^Historians will be scratching their heads for centuries.

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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by Gary » Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:14 pm

The current crop make the Grant Administration and the Teapot Dome Scandal look like minor miscues and gaffes.
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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by Lupine » Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:58 pm

Now he plans to challenge any impeachment proceedings in the Supreme Court.


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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by RJDiogenes » Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:46 pm

I'm shocked-- shocked!-- that The Donald doesn't understand the separation of powers. :lol:
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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by Gary » Sat Apr 27, 2019 11:05 pm

Well, Joe Biden's campaign has launched with a lackluster, almost sophomoric start. One article I read on Friday stated he's been running for President since 1987 and still can't assemble an effective launch. He may be good at raising funds, but his past, his being handsy, his age, and (as Elizabeth Warren pointed out) his closeness with big money does not bode well. I will be surprised if he is not knocked out by the end of summer. I think his abilities and connections would be better put to use backing a younger, more viable candidate. I don't care if I come across as ageist, but Reagan was 69 years old and Trump was 70 years old when elected. Trump, more than Reagan, has demonstrated lackluster mental cognitive abilities, and Joe Biden has always been known for verbal gaffes. We live in a country where the mandatory retirement age is 65 years old, yet these old farts stubbornly cling to elected office until their last breath. That's a clear slap in the face of democratic ideals, wherein *everyone* should get a chance to participate in the governing process.
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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by Lupine » Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:52 pm

^The problem is that no one else has really caught fire yet and they all have baggage. I'm not convinced that any of them, with the possible exception of Biden, can beat Trump.

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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

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^The problem is that no one else has really caught fire yet and they all have baggage. I'm not convinced that any of them, with the possible exception of Biden, can beat Trump.
Perhaps Biden is trolling: Biden Has Successfully Goaded Trump, Which Is Exactly What He Needs to Do
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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by RJDiogenes » Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:06 pm

Really, almost any of the more well-known candidates should be able to beat The Donald. He lost the popular vote by a wide margin in the last election and it was only a question of about 40,000 votes that tipped the Electoral College. The crossover voters would much rather vote for Biden or Sanders. All The Donald really has going for him is incumbency, but he also has two-plus years of babbling incoherence, chaos, failure, and Robert Mueller behind him already. It's really the Democrats' race to lose again.

Unfortunately, Left Wingers are incredibly stupid creatures. They've got this crucial election coming up against a candidate who only won the last time because they've spent the last twenty years alienating middle America. So what platform are they running on? Impeachment. Socialism. Reparations. Kate Smith. They're hopeless. :lol:
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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by Lupine » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:56 pm

^Not to mention any candidate they put forward, not matter how popular they've been in the past, will suddenly be elevated into the embodiment of pure evil.

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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by Gary » Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:51 pm

Ocasio-Cortez challenges Conway on Sri Lanka comments: 'Are you trying to imply that I am less Christian?'

Here is how people should respond to this idiocy: "Article six, clause three, of the US Constitution states, among other things, '...no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.' Why do you hate the US Constitution and all for which it stands?"
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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

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^Not to mention any candidate they put forward, not matter how popular they've been in the past, will suddenly be elevated into the embodiment of pure evil.
Right. Biden is not a viable opponent for the Donald because he may have kissed someone on the back of the head once. I would certainly not vote for someone with bad aim!
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Here is how people should respond to this idiocy: "Article six, clause three, of the US Constitution states, among other things, '...no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.' Why do you hate the US Constitution and all for which it stands?"
No religious tests can be imposed by the government, but there are certainly religious tests used by the voters, and politicians go out of their way to exploit that.
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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by Lupine » Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:42 pm

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^Not to mention any candidate they put forward, not matter how popular they've been in the past, will suddenly be elevated into the embodiment of pure evil.
Right. Biden is not a viable opponent for the Donald because he may have kissed someone on the back of the head once. I would certainly not vote for someone with bad aim!
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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by Lupine » Tue May 07, 2019 9:51 pm

A new poll seems to conclude that Fox News makes viewers stupid. :loopy:

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Or vice versa. Or maybe it's synergy. :lol:
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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by Gary » Tue May 07, 2019 10:58 pm

BENGHAZI!!!!

I can understand the hesitance Speaker Pelosi and the Leadership have regarding impeachment; however, someone is going to have repeated meltdowns for weeks to come. First this: Decade in the Red: Trump Tax Figures Show Over $1 Billion in Business Losses, and then Robert S. Mueller III upcoming testimony before the House Judiciary Committee.
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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by Lupine » Wed May 08, 2019 2:51 pm

^If he doesn't back out or is blocked somehow. All Trump and company has to due at this point is delay everything until after the election or until it all becomes irrelevant. So far it's looking like a winning strategy.

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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by Gary » Wed May 08, 2019 10:16 pm

Subpoenas are dropping left and right, and now Barr will be found in contempt of Congress. NPR had an interesting interview with a Constitutional expert who said the Administration can refuse all they want; however, the Founders set up the Government like this on purpose so they'd fight and have to devise political solutions. The House can withhold funding and impeach. As Speaker Pelosi said earlier today, Trump is backing himself into impeachment more and more each day. I think she, and the rest of the leadership, are waiting for the right time to act. That's a smart tactic considering the Republicans pounced to impeach Bill Clinton, and it exploded spectacularly in their faces.
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