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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by Gary » Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:00 am

Trump says 'I don't have temper tantrums' as he rants about border wall in front of the White House

I'm honestly surprised he hasn't threatened to hold his breath until he gets his way. His mannerisms, petulance, and bullshitting remind me of my dad when he was in his 70s -- a legend in his own mind who is completely divorced from reality.



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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by Gary » Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:35 pm

Trump Thought It Would Only Take Three Days to Get Mexico to Pay for the Wall

Some interesting news on the local front: America’s Most and Least Popular Governors

Outgoing Governor Mary Fallin leaves office with a meager 16% approval rating, which makes her the most unpopular governor in the entire US. Sadly, the rubes voted for a businessman, who has no political experience, to replace her. Where has that happened before? :conf:
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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by Lupine » Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:03 pm

I see that our Governor, Jerry Brown, is at 42%. Not surprising as I have mixed feelings about him. The California economy isn't doing too bad, but that is at the cost of some pretty stiff taxes, one of which was of questionable legality.

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Wow, we've got the most popular governor in America. Who knew? :lol:
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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by Gary » Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:50 pm

Once again, Twitter responds brilliantly: Twitter had all of the jokes after seeing Clemson's fast food spread at the White House

(Sorry, this one is paywalled unless one uses Incognito mode on Chrome) Please help Donald Trump find work during the shutdown
President Trump needs a job.

The government is shuttered, and the president has nothing to do. “I am in the White House waiting for you!” he tweeted plaintively to Democrats on Saturday.

“I’m in the White House, waiting,” the underemployed executive tweeted again on Sunday.

“I’ve been waiting all weekend,” he tweeted on Monday.

“I am all alone (poor me) in the White House waiting for the Democrats,” he tweeted during the holidays.

Yes, poor him. He shut down the government, taking hostage 800,000 furloughed federal workers, but nobody is willing to pay him ransom. Now, the economy is hurting (S&P Global Ratings put the damage at $3.6 billion so far, nearly the amount Trump sought for his border wall), and most Americans correctly blame him (he is, after all, the one who boasted: “I’ll be the one to shut it down”).

Trump’s allies are trying to clean up his mess: Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.), who had said surrendering on the shutdown would be “the end of his presidency,” now urges Trump to reopen the government; others propose building the wall with assets seized in litigation (Paul Manafort will pay for the wall!).

And Trump? He watches TV and tweets insults at Jeff “Bozo” Bezos, the Amazon founder and chief executive who also owns The Post, and Sen. Elizabeth “Pocahontas” Warren. With so little to occupy him, it’s as though he is on furlough himself. He’s certainly nonessential.

If only there were something productive Trump could do with his idle time — something like what the Trump administration suggests government workers do while they aren’t getting paid.

As The Post reported, the Coast Guard published helpful suggestions about activities furloughed workers can do to make ends meet while waiting to return to work: “have a garage sale,” “offer to watch children, walk pets or house-sit,” “turn your hobby into income,” discover “untapped teaching skills and expertise” or “become a mystery shopper.”


Trump is already housesitting, it’s doubtful many people would trust him with their children or pets, and he’s a bit too recognizable to pull off the mystery-shopper routine. He tried using his “untapped teaching skills” before, and we got Trump University.

But “turn your hobby into income”? This has potential. If Trump were to set up an insult service — for a fee, he would fire off tweets attacking your boss, your competitor or your ex-spouse — he would not only occupy himself during the shutdown but also earn enough money to pay for walls along the Mexican and Canadian borders.

There are other ways in which our idle president could put his untapped skills to work during the shutdown. Using “O*NET Online,” a website sponsored by the Labor Department to assist job seekers, I found several potential furlough jobs for Trump fitting his work values and skills.


I searched the database looking for jobs that appeal to those who “seek recognition” and have “potential for leadership,” positions that, according to O*NET, satisfy needs for “authority” and “social status” — all Trumpian requirements. I also looked for jobs that reward “persuading others to change their minds” (Trump, recall, got Republicans to abandon free trade and embrace Russian President Vladimir Putin).

Conversely, I sought jobs for Trump that place a low priority on “maintaining composure, keeping emotions in check, controlling anger and avoiding aggressive behavior.” Likewise, I de-emphasized jobs requiring skills Trump lacks: “the ability to tell when something is wrong or is likely to go wrong,” “trying to reconcile differences,” “using logic,” “not interrupting at inappropriate times” and “taking time to understand” others.

Some of the resulting recommendations for Trump were obvious (product promoter, public-address announcer), and some less obvious (manicurist, shampooer, barista). His people skills, my search found, argue for work as a paper hanger, machine operator or possibly an animal slaughterer.


Interestingly, Trump would find satisfaction if not success doing his wife’s job (a model), but he also has potential as a street vendor or marriage counselor. Trump might also enjoy being an astronomer (where “self-control” isn’t important). His listening skills would make him a good mine-car operator (he loves coal!). He has an advantage applying for one recommended job — forest fire prevention specialist — because he already knows about raking forests.

(The Labor Department database also could prove useful in selecting Trump’s next chief of staff: Workers most experienced in handling “unpleasant or angry people” are telephone operators, police patrol officers, telemarketers and correctional officers.)

Curiously, a certain type of work came up more than once when I searched for a shutdown vocation for Trump. For people who, like Trump, score very low in two attributes — “job requires being sensitive to others’ needs and feelings” and “job requires being honest and ethical” — the database returned a common result: “fence erector.”

It’s an elegant solution. Instead of moping around the White House, talking about a border barrier, our furloughed president should go to the border and start erecting one. Build the wall, Mr. President — yourself.
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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by RJDiogenes » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:41 pm

He could be a gigolo. He's obviously irresistible to porn stars and Playboy Playmates.

Now here's a good one: Trump paid to have some polls rigged in his favor. And failed. :lol:
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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by Gary » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:43 pm

Let's just across the pond to look at another trainwreck: The Malign Incompetence of the British Ruling Class

A friend of mine, who lives in the outskirts of London, agreed with the article and used some very coarse language to describe the Tories.
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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by Gary » Sat Jan 19, 2019 12:19 pm

The State of the Union Address Should Go Away Forever
Shutdown is no time for celebratory State of the Union. No time is. Let's scrap it

I thought the State of the Union "event" was a lot of bluster and unnecessary pomp that served no real purpose. We later learned in history class that the Constitution merely states the President is to give a report to Congress "from time to time" and does not spell out how this is done. For well over 150 years, Presidents merely sent a letter to Congress until Wilson came along. Naturally, my teacher thought I was being petulant when I stated I'd follow past precedent over the televised nonsense the modern era has wrought. Much like my then opinion toward marijuana legalization, I was told, "That will never happen". Maybe Donald Trump will actually break a couple of things in Washington that need to be broken. :conf:
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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by Lupine » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:00 pm

Yeah, I rarely watch the State of the Union even when there's a President in there I like. I certainly wouldn't watch Trump- especially this year when all he'd be doing is griping about the shutdown/Democrats/Pelosi/immigrants/Smurfs/Mueller/The Fake Russia Thing.

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Post by Gary » Sat Jan 19, 2019 6:40 pm

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Yeah, I rarely watch the State of the Union even when there's a President in there I like. I certainly wouldn't watch Trump- especially this year when all he'd be doing is griping about the shutdown/Democrats/Pelosi/immigrants/Smurfs/Mueller/The Fake Russia Thing.
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But it will be the highest-rated and best-loved television show in the history of forever!!!
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A 150% of the population will be watching it!

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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by Gary » Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:03 pm

Trump Just Lost His Leverage for Building a Wall

He gained absolutely nothing with his tantrum; however, I'm betting a major reason why he blinked is so he can pontificate during the traditional time and place of the State of the Union. $20 says he rambles on and on about a wall. Either way, I'm hoping this is some lasting damage done to him and the GOP as a whole.
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Post by RJDiogenes » Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:22 pm

Well, Trump University failed and Trump Magazine failed and Trump Casino failed-- maybe he should try Trump Prison, where he can keep all of his friends in one place. :lol:
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He gained absolutely nothing with his tantrum; however, I'm betting a major reason why he blinked is so he can pontificate during the traditional time and place of the State of the Union. $20 says he rambles on and on about a wall. Either way, I'm hoping this is some lasting damage done to him and the GOP as a whole.
I really wonder how much of a challenge The Donald will see at the Republican convention.
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Re: 2019 Politics- Life in Trump World

Post by Gary » Sat Jan 26, 2019 6:16 pm

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Well, Trump University failed and Trump Magazine failed and Trump Casino failed-- maybe he should try Trump Prison, where he can keep all of his friends in one place. :lol:
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He gained absolutely nothing with his tantrum; however, I'm betting a major reason why he blinked is so he can pontificate during the traditional time and place of the State of the Union. $20 says he rambles on and on about a wall. Either way, I'm hoping this is some lasting damage done to him and the GOP as a whole.
I really wonder how much of a challenge The Donald will see at the Republican convention.
It will be interesting if he makes it that far depending on how the Mueller investigation progresses. All of the right wing blowhards (Coulter, Limbaugh, Hannity, etc.) are losing their collective shit over this, but it makes me wonder if, A) the US public will remember this in a few weeks (and also in 2020); B) if Federal workers are going to remember this in 2020; and, C) if legislative changes will be effected which will prevent the possibility of either party from leveraging a shutdown ever again.
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Post by RJDiogenes » Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:42 pm

^^ There was a time when something like this would result in reform. Now I'm not so sure.

Well, the shutdown is over. I wonder if Nancy Pelosi woke up beside the head of a horse this morning. :lol:
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^ :lol:

I wonder what will happen in three weeks when this reprieve is over. :unsure:

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Post by Gary » Sun Jan 27, 2019 5:01 pm

First, he taunts Mueller by claiming the arrest was a "Nothing burger". And now, Roger Stone does not rule out cooperating with Mueller

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Trump advisers lied over and over again, Mueller says. The question is, why?
By Rosalind S. Helderman, Josh Dawsey and Matt Zapotosky January 27 at 8:00 AM

They lied to the public for months before Donald Trump was elected — and then repeatedly after he took office.

They lied to Congress as lawmakers sought to investigate Russia’s attack on American democracy in 2016.

And they lied to the FBI, even when they knew lying was a crime.

In indictments and plea agreements unveiled over the last 20 months, special counsel Robert S. Mueller III has shown over and over again that some of President Trump’s closest friends and advisers have lied about Russia and related issues.

On Friday, Mueller laid out a new allegation: that longtime Trump confidant Roger Stone lied to Congress and obstructed its probe of Russia’s interference in the 2016 campaign.

Trump and his associates have dismissed the serial deception as a sideshow that has little to do with the central question of the Mueller investigation: whether his campaign engaged in a criminal conspiracy with Russia.

Following Stone’s indictment on Friday, Trump attorney Rudolph W. Giuliani scoffed, “Another false-statement case? God almighty.”

But it is unclear if the special counsel shares that view. While Mueller has not accused any American of criminally coordinating with Russia, the lies meticulously unspooled by his prosecutors over 20 months have not been mere quibbles.

They have documented various falsehoods by Trump advisers that masked efforts by people in his orbit to develop inroads with Russia and leverage that country’s hacking of Democratic emails.

The remaining question — for both Mueller’s team, as it works on a final investigative report, and for the American people — is why.

Did the president’s men lie to protect a still-hidden dark secret about the campaign’s interaction with Russia, engaging in a broad effort to obstruct the probe — one that included perhaps even Trump?

Did they lie to avoid diminishing Trump’s victory by acknowledging Russia played a role in his election?

Did they each lie for their own reasons, taking their cue from the president — who has told many whoppers of his own, including about Russia?

Trump’s former campaign chairman, deputy campaign manager, former national security adviser, personal lawyer and a campaign foreign policy adviser have all been accused of lying to investigators exploring Russia activity.

In their new indictment against Stone, prosecutors said he lied to Congress about his efforts to learn about WikiLeaks’s plans in 2016 as the group was publishing Democratic emails allegedly stolen by Russian operatives.

Stone falsely told Congress that he never discussed his efforts with the Trump campaign and never asked intermediaries to communicate with WikiLeaks’ founder, Julian Assange, Mueller’s team alleges.

Stone has denied the charges and promised to fight in court. “Perjury requires both materiality and intent,” he said on CNN Friday night. “There is none.”

“Secondarily, where’s the Russian collusion?” Stone added. “Where is the WikiLeaks collaboration? Where’s the evidence that I received anything from WikiLeaks or Julian Assange, and passed it on to Donald Trump or the Trump campaign?”

Trump echoed that message himself.

“Greatest Witch Hunt in the History of our Country! NO COLLUSION!” the president tweeted after Stone’s arrest.

Legal experts noted that the alleged lies are significant in their own right.

“Time and time again, elected officials and government officials have exhibited a belief they simply can say what they want in a high-profile investigation, and do so with impunity,” said Jacob S. Frenkel, a former attorney in the independent counsel’s office now in private practice at Dickinson Wright.

Some Trump friends said they are confounded by Stone’s alleged actions.

“If he had told the truth as alleged, there wouldn’t have been an underlying crime,” said Christopher Ruddy, chief executive of Newsmax. “There would have been no crime. They would have had to try and find other stuff.”

The Stone indictment does provide new details that nod at one of Mueller’s central inquiries: trying to determine whether anyone in Trump’s orbit coordinated with Russia or WikiLeaks.

In Friday’s filing, prosecutors lay out efforts by both Stone and Trump campaign officials to learn more about what WikiLeaks had in its cache in the summer of 2016 — actions that occurred after Russia had been fingered as a likely culprit behind the theft of the Democratic Party emails that June.

Still, the mounting false statements charges collected by Mueller do not speak to the question of criminal coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia, some analysts noted.

“I think there is some theory under which you could include them in such a conspiracy, and I wonder why not,” said Barbara McQuade, a former U.S. attorney. “Is it that they don’t think the evidence goes that far? Is it that they think this conduct does not amount to a conspiracy to defraud the United States and it is instead dirty, political tricks?”

Steve Hall, who retired from the CIA in 2015 after 30 years of running and managing Russia operations, said that the substance of the lies and alleged false statements documented by Mueller paint a broad picture with serious implications.

“In my view, those lies — what was lied about and under what condition the lies were told — contribute to a counterintelligence pattern that has begun to emerge pointing to senior members of the Trump team being involved with the Russians,” he said.

Hall said the country needs to take step back from a narrow conversation about the political and even criminal ramifications of each Mueller indictment. “We’ve got to be looking beyond who gets a parking ticket or even a few years in prison,” he said. “What about the bigger picture? This was Russia, attacking the United States.”

The deception by Trump advisers that has led to guilty pleas so far does have a common throughline: Much of it centers on their interactions about Russia.

Trump’s longtime personal attorney Michael Cohen admitted lying to Congress about efforts to build a Trump real estate project in Moscow during the campaign — at a time when then-candidate Trump claimed he had no business ties to Russia.

Cohen also lied about seeking help on the lucrative project from one of Russian President Vladi­mir Putin’s closest advisers. Trump had said no one in his orbit had contact with the Russian government.

Former national security adviser Michael Flynn admitted he lied — first to Vice President Pence, then to the public and finally to the FBI — about whether he had spoken to a Russian envoy in December 2016 about sanctions imposed by President Obama as punishment for Russia’s campaign interference.

That lie came as investigators were working to understand why Russia, whose top foreign policy goals include undoing U.S. sanctions, fought so hard to help elect Trump over Democrat Hillary Clinton.

Foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos has admitted lying about his contacts with a professor who gave him early warning in April 2016 that Russia held thousands of Clinton emails.

Prosecutors have said former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort has continued to lie even after pleading guilty to two conspiracy charges, which included lying to the Justice Department. His latest lies, they have said, involved details of his campaign interactions with a Russian employee who the FBI has assessed has ties to Russian intelligence.

As they wait for Mueller to finish his investigation, Democrats in Congress are likely to focus on the president himself and what he knew of the lies.

On Friday, Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.), the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, tweeted: “Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, Michael Cohen, Rick Gates, Michael Flynn . . . What did the President know and when did he know it?

Some legal analysts said the charges do not appear to be building to a criminal case against the president.

The lying “certainly alerts you to the possibility of kind of obstructionist conspiracies,” said James M. Trusty, a former Justice Department organized crime chief now in private practice at Ifrah Law. But, he added, “at the end of the day, it looks like people are making independent, individual choices that are landing them in hot water. I think it’s the kind of thing that the Mueller probe doesn’t want to ignore . . . but the indictments themselves aren’t moving the case forward.”

The number of lies documented by the special counsel could also undercut Mueller’s efforts to make a broader case by hampering the effort to sort truth from fiction, some longtime Trump associates said.

“In Trump world, everybody lies. Everybody doesn’t tell the truth. At the end of the day, they are all lying. I don’t know how Mueller can believe anybody,” said Louise Sunshine, a longtime executive with the Trump Organization.

Trump allies say the president knows that many of the people around him are not trustworthy — and believes he can use that to his advantage if any of his onetime aides attempt to pin their wrongdoing on him.

He has instructed Giuliani and his other lawyers to question the credibility of anyone who attacks him, according to White House aides who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe private conversations. After Cohen, Trump’s longtime personal attorney, pleaded guilty, the president on Twitter called him a “rat” who “makes up stories.”

Sam Nunberg, a former Trump aide, said he believed that people around Trump lied to investigators because they were trying to make sure their version of events lined up with lies the president was telling to the American people.

“They all conspired,” he said, “against themselves.”
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Post by RJDiogenes » Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:07 pm

“In Trump world, everybody lies. Everybody doesn’t tell the truth. At the end of the day, they are all lying. I don’t know how Mueller can believe anybody,” said Louise Sunshine, a longtime executive with the Trump Organization.
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Post by Gary » Sun Feb 03, 2019 1:59 pm

The news stories exploding about Virginia Governor Ralph Northam came out of nowhere and seem to be growing worse with each passing hour. He seems to be in complete denial with no clear plan for handling the damage. I doubt anyone has any faith in his leadership abilities regardless of what claims he makes about not being a racist or a bigot (in the past).

Sorry, Republicans. You can’t call out Northam for racism and give Trump a pass.

The fact that the GOP and the President have weighed in on the matter is a truly facepalm worthy moment.
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