Jobs - Is Our System Akin to the old USSR?

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A top anthropologist says the US is flooded with 'bulls---' jobs that should disappear
There is a job epidemic in America, anthropologist David Graeber says. And not because there are too few jobs, but because there are too many.

"Huge swaths of our economy are completely unnecessary," Graeber, an anthropologist and professor at the London School of Economics, said in a 2015 interview with London Real, which was recently spotted by Natalie Shoemaker at Big Think.

Graeber was referring to the many telemarketers, middle managers, and people in clerical roles who make up a sizable chunk of the US economy. They are jobs in which employees don't find great meaning and are often embarrassed to talk about, Graeber said.

His initial complaint about the surplus of meaningless work emerged in 2013, when he published an essay called "On the Phenomenon of Bullshit Jobs." (The essay has since been taken down.) His argument revolved around the prediction John Maynard Keynes made in 1930 that humans would be so technologically advanced by the end of the 20th century that we'd only have to work 15-hour weeks.

It should have come true, Graeber said. But it didn't.

Instead, as America moved into the Digital Age, menial factory jobs gave way to their white-collar equivalents — tasks that require filling in spreadsheets, filing, scheduling, and managing databases. Graeber likened that to the Soviet approach of guaranteeing people a job, no matter how redundant or inefficient their duties.

"Technology has been marshaled ... to figure out ways to make us all work more," Graeber wrote. "In order to achieve this, jobs have had to be created that are, effectively, pointless."

Graeber's wish to see more leisure time might soon come true, however, since economists don't see many jobs lasting much longer. A PwC report from earlier this May, for instance, found that drones could replace $127 billion worth of human labor, primarily in infrastructure and agriculture. A few years prior, an Oxford report estimated that 50% of jobs will disappear as early as 2033.

Automating a large portion of the labor force could have two big effects: Society would have more wealth (since over time, automated systems are cheaper than human workers) and people would get less work-based income.

For Graeber, that new reality should force governments to consider whether they'll change their approaches to wealth distribution. They can either choose to invent new jobs for those who lose them, or stop treating unemployment as a problem and instead create new systems that force the people and companies generating this newfound wealth to share it.

The second path leads to the Keynesian ideal of only working 15-hour weeks, not 40-plus. But that transition may be tough since work is an important part of American culture, and wealth redistribution often comes in the form of higher taxes.

"It seems to be this idea that work is a value in itself," Graeber told London Real.

The other option, however — replacing positions lost to automation with even more unnecessary, human-driven jobs — might be even worse.

"The moral and spiritual damage that comes from this situation is profound," his 2013 essay said. "It is a scar across our collective soul."
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Interesting idea though it seems a bit dated as a good chunk of telemarketers are from outside the country.
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Somehow I don't think that welfare and 15-hour weeks would make for a sustainable economy. :mellow:
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RJDiogenes wrote:Somehow I don't think that welfare and 15-hour weeks would make for a sustainable economy. :mellow:

How do the various European countries manage to get by with such "luxuries" like the 35 hour work weeks, generous vacation (holiday) packages, generous pensions, and guaranteed medical care?

Had I not made some of the stupid financial mistakes I swore I would not do, I would be facing this in a couple of years: Bored, Isolated and Retired Young. I can't stand the petty politics of the workplace (too much like high school), meeting someone else's expectations, or the hypocrisy of being penalized for not delivering on a deadline which upper management gets by as "being too busy" for critical tasks it doesn't complete.
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Gary wrote:How do the various European countries manage to get by with such "luxuries" like the 35 hour work weeks, generous vacation (holiday) packages, generous pensions, and guaranteed medical care?
Beats me. Massive taxation? But I doubt if any country on Earth could survive with most of its people unemployed and the rest working less than half a week.
Had I not made some of the stupid financial mistakes I swore I would not do, I would be facing this in a couple of years: Bored, Isolated and Retired Young. I can't stand the petty politics of the workplace (too much like high school), meeting someone else's expectations, or the hypocrisy of being penalized for not delivering on a deadline which upper management gets by as "being too busy" for critical tasks it doesn't complete.
I can't imagine being bored in retirement. Depending on how things go under the Trumpster, I'll be retired by the time I'm 60 and loving it. The decision I have to look at is whether to go part time for a couple of years before retiring fully. It will certainly help to get my health insurance paid for.
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Bullshit jobs: why they exist and why you might have one

I found this to be an interesting read and also thought provoking.
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Interesting. It reminded me of an old Dilbert comic.

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But seriously I think the income and the perceived "prestige" of these jobs would outweigh any spiritual dissatisfaction the holders of these jobs might have.
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There's some real Hippie thinking going on there. Count me in for the revolution. Not that I have a bullshit job, but if I could work fifteen hours a week that would mean two other people could be employed for fifteen hours a week. :thumbsup:
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