RJDiogenes wrote:The thing I found a little vexing was that Sam found Bobby so easily once in Hell. They should have had some gimmick to explain that.
Oh it's more than that, really. Sam based on history (LOL, canon) should've been a little more "scared" at the thought of being in any part of hell. Worse still is that by taking Sam to hell by way of purgatory they could've used this as a way to show Sam some of the crap Dean dealt with during his year there - instead it's an easy pop in and just as easy pop out. Nothing ventured - nothing gained.
(Of course, you're also right they could've had the Reaper give Sam some magical locator or something and that would've kept much of the WTF out of the ease of Bobby finding in hell at least.
But like I say despite the problems I actually didn't hate this episode. To be honest if the super awesome making me so emotional Justified
season finale hadn't aired this same week I might've loved this episode of Supernatural
, but watching other good shows sorta show that whoever is in charge of Supernatural
this season (be it Carver or Singer) just don't have the chops to keep this show on the level of other shows, or they just don't care. To be honest, at this point I'm just not sure which.
Seriously, though - Justified
SPOILERS to follow:
So, to simplify things this season of Justified
was all about all the building blocks that make a person who they are. An abusive asshole Arlo Givens made Raylan Givens (a US Marshal and our hero, and what a hero he is) the driven man he is today. But despite Raylan being the star (and hero) this show manages to give every character a rich background even the bad guys.
In broader and even simpler strokes this season was about hunting a wanted man (Drew Tompson aka Jim Beaver aka Sheriff Shelby) and to put it in Art's words (Art is Raylan's boss - a job no one would actually want) the man is fairly badass. He shot a mob boss in the eye and then waved happily as his partner in crime jumped out of an airplane with a bad shoot (bad because he tampered with it is very much implied but never officially confirmed) and then went into hiding. As though that wasn't enough he then had the balls to get himself into law enforcement not once but twice. HeHe Not to mention that before he revealed he was the man they was looking for he spent a wee speck of time working with Raylan. To be fair, Raylan didn't trust him, but that's just Raylan.
Anyway, in the run up to the season finale Boyd Crowder (Raylan's frenemy and bad guy of Harlan County) comes into much money, but because his soon to be wife (Ava) killed a man some time ago (and the slightly stupid whore who Drew decided to take with him when he was trying to escape Harlan) loses said money fairly quickly. You see, Drew decided to save the hooker by taking her to the back-woods badguys, and the head BWBG decided to sell both of them to Ava, but when Ava and company get there with the money the deals changed he will sell one of them for the agreed price. Boyd wants the hooker, because she could break Ava, but Ava convinces him to get Drew, because the littlest hooker isn't that
much of a threat. Boyd doesn't like it, but does as she asks.
However, Boyd has a rat on his team by the name of Johnny Crowder - who's also in love with Ava (and I mean who wouldn't be - Ava is awesome, and is where much of my ~feels~ from this episode comes from. PS - Ava is also an X of Raylan's) and awhile back tried to make a deal with the mob to get his cousin Boyd out the way so he could run Harlan county. This does not end well for him, but basically knowing he's screwed because he has no hope of getting Drew Tompson he sells out to Raylan and the marshalls, so just as the bad guys are about to get their hands on Drew Raylan and the marshalls show up to piss in their cheerios by rescuing Drew.
(Of course, they then have to get Drew out of Harlan which isn't as easy as it sounds.)
Crap! I didn't mean to get into all this, basically I wanted to say that as awesome as the Justified
season finale was it pissed me off just as much as Supernatural
has over the course of season eight, but unlike Supernatural Justified
pissed me off in the way I wish all shows would piss me off - not because there was logic gaps, plot holes, and all manner of character/continuity issues, but because the characters feel like real people (because they've been so richly and consistantly drawn) that I hate when shit goes belly up for them even if you can in fact see it
(the shit) coming.
(Even if the people behind Supernatural
get their shit together - season eight with all it's problems is still gonna be there mocking them forever, unless they did/do end up pulling a Dallas
with season eight.)
Anyway, I love Ava - all you really need to know about Ava is that she is awesome and badass and all will love her and despair! - and she got royally screwed in this episode AND NOT in the good way. Now to be fair they (the very bad men) was trying to screw Boyd (and if you watched the show you can kinda understand why, but Boyd is kinda awesome too) but Ava's the one that gets caught with the dead body of the man she killed and then stole from the morgue to make the law think they unearthed the wrong man, and the littlest hooker just be telling weird stories.
(Basically when this happened I literally tried to jump into my TV so I could save her, because she's Ava and damn it you do not fuck with my Ava! To tie this into Supernatural at least a little - Ava is sorta how I imagine Misha's wife - "You give those boys all the hand jobs you need to at work today, hon!" To give context - they was headed to a rich people sexy party and Boyd was afraid Ava's hotness would lead to idiot horn dogs and he was worried about her giving hand-jobs, but because Ava is just so damn awesome by the end of the conversation she'd turned it back on him.
But then there's more awesome. There's our hero Raylan and Winonna - who's Winonna you ask? Why she's Raylan's ex-wife and the soon to be mother of his child, and she is also so much awesome! (Not as awesome as Ava, but pretty damn close.) But anyway because Raylan pissed in the bad guys cheerios that comes back to bite him on the ass here. The bad guys have kidnapped Winonna (is it really kidnapping when they haven't actually removed her from her home? Taken hostage would be a better way to phrase it, I suppose) and basically telling Raylan that if he doesn't do what they want (helping them get at/to Drew) they be gonna kill the mother of his child and very very violently at that.
(They can has to die now, basically!)
In a twist that proves why it's not just Raylan who loves Winonna before Raylan showed up she told the bad guys that if they left before Raylan showed up they might just live to see another day. They didn't heed her advice and as expected Raylan (and Winonna) kills them all. HeHe!
This comes back around later when Raylan is pissed that they came after his family but is cock-blocked by his boss. Basically told that if he does after the bad man he needn't bother coming back. Well, you know Raylan isn't just going to enjoy his enforced time off and let the law handle it. Raylan goes to Boyd and gets Boyd to take him to a meeting with the very bad men, and at this point I figure Raylan is just going to kill the bastard (and I think so does Boyd) because this leads to a convo about how they both lie to themselves about the kind of men they are - they both believe themselves to be good men, but Boyd while he has his moments is not a good man and Raylan is (and probably always shall be) on the edge.
But I still think having Boyd drive him to and from the murder scene is going to bite him on the ass later even if as far as the people Raylan works with are concerned Raylan had nothing to do with the murder, because you see Raylan gets all cop badass telling the bad guy that he's going to die in the limo. The bad guy says "empty cop threats - I'm a-gonna kill everybody including my new boss!"
So, Raylan gets out of the limo without shooting the bad guy, and at that point I was expecting the limo to just explode. But, no, Raylan basically set-up a mob hit. He called the bad guys new boss, and the new bad guy asks if Raylan can really walk away from this knowing what's gonna happen (a shoot out!) and Raylan is like "watch me walk away" and then he walks away!
END SPOILERS FOR Justified
Basically, Carver/Singer if you want to do the soapy thing you need to watch shows like Justified
and Pretty Little Liars
instead of your little daytime dramas. Because then you could avoid the bland boring love interests like Lisa and Amelia and bring in awesome ones like Ava and Winonna.
Also, you realize that Benny is only dead because special snow-flake Sam insisted he must do this alone, right? If, as Dean wanted, Dean had gone with Sam then he could have led them to the purgatory exit point and no one would've had to die - monster or otherwise. Because even if Sam has to do this alone (which is new informations) then he still failed - Bobby helped and thanks to Dean Benny also helped which means in the end SAM DID NOT FUCKING DO IT ALONE! And that line was just there as bullshit so the episode could have Dean killing Benny.
But seriously Dean had fought with the hell-hound before Sam stepped in and killed it a few episodes back which seems like help to me. But I don't know maybe they're now using a different meaning for help from some weird universe where words have different meanings than what we know. Yet if this is true, perhaps you should explain that to the audience.
So yeah on first (and so far only) watch I didn't hate the episode, but knowing these flaws are there I'm not wanting to watch it again, because I'm afraid I'll end up actually hating it.